March 10th, 2007

Here's a weekend exercise by way of a mind experiment. I put forth a conclusion that one specific area where women are treated differently than men in technology has to do with debates. I have two hypotheses to support this conclusion.

The first hypothesis is that feelings of anger are more pleasant than feelings of hurt.

Empirical evidence would demonstrate that people don't avoid situations where they get angry. The whole genre of political weblogs is one of the better examples of such–as is most of the warfare committed based on some sense of 'belonging'.

Being 'hurt', though, or it's companion emotions of feeling sadness, loss, bereavement, grief, and so on, are emotions that people mostly want to avoid; in fact, will go out of their way to avoid. Fear of commitment, fear of losing a loved one, fear of putting one's creative output into the public arena because of the possible criticisms–these are events that cause a great deal of discomfort.

Therefore, given a choice in reacting to a situation, a person would rather feel anger than feel hurt. To complement this, members of a society are discouraged from hurting people, but not necessarily discouraged from making people mad.

Examining this in the context of gender, though, we see a subtle contradiction: women are more socialized to feel hurt than anger. Or perhaps a better way of looking at this is: men are not as discouraged when expressing anger as women; women are not as discouraged from feeling hurt, as men. In a debate, when a person makes a strongly negative expression, men might react angrily, while women may react in hurt. This is enough to shut down debate, because the two responses are contradictory to each other.

Technology generates a lot of debates; a lot of disagreements. The tone of discussions can run the range between the polite and the vociferous. People invest a lot of emotion in their responses: words get exchanges, names called, statements derided. My second hypothesis is that in such debates women's participation suffers.

Women, who are socialized to feelings of hurt when directly confronted with a negative expression, will avoid confrontational discussions because being hurt is a state to be avoided. Men are less likely to avoid participation because they're socialized to react more in anger, and anger is not a state to be avoided. On the contrary: the ability to express anger in a 'righteous' cause, without society's censure, can be quite a pleasant state–invigorating the mind, jump starting the body.

Additionally, in an emotional discussion or debate, where negative reactions are expressed, a seemingly 'hurt' response is not typically accepted in technology-related debates. Women are more likely to feel hurt based on negative responses, or be perceived to be demonstrating hurt when responding. Therefore women's participation is subtly discouraged, undermined, or discounted in these debates.

Not all women react with hurt, nor all men react in anger: but when we do react counter expectation, we're then given subtle or not so subtle feedback as to our personal character based on such. If a man goes against societal parameters, and reacts by expressing hurt, or a woman anger, that can throw the discussion off-kilter, and even alter other participants' opinion of the person. At our most deepest level, we may lose respect for the man who gets hurt; the use of 'shrill' is often times attached to the woman's response.

Both men and women may be uncomfortable expressing strongly negative responses to a woman. There is, at the back of the mind, an expectation that the woman might get hurt, and since society discourages us from hurting others, and censures those who do, they don't want to be put into a position as being seen to 'hurt' someone.

Yet the response they want to make is strongly negative. They've built up a level, a style, in the discussion, and it's extremely difficult to 'switch' it off for this person, when basically the emotional tone of the debate is in 'on' mode all the time. Rather than engineer the feelings of discomfort having to suddenly switch tone, they may either respond only briefly, or not respond at all.

This has negative consequences for women, because if we're only given full participation in debates that are not acrimonious, we're not given full access to all debates. If we don't have full access in this context, we lose out on full access in other contexts: we are seen less, heard less, and have to work harder just to make up this limitation. Its not much different than how people move up the ranks in the military in the US: people who serve in combat units raise in ranks faster than those who don't; women are not allowed to serve in such units.

My mind experiment than revolves around the following questions, asked of both men and women: how do you perceive women's participation in acrimonious debate? Is it the same as men, or different? If different, have you found yourself more disinclined to debate with women than men? More inclined? Finally, when confronted with a strongly negative response to something you've said or done, what's your first reaction?

Comments
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Noah Slater - 11:47 am 3/10/2007

I concur with most of your conclusions but am curious as to why you limit you discussion to technology. The things you talk about surely apply to every other subject and so how can you reconcile your argument with the fact that there are fields of endeavour where women are more dominant.

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Shelley - 12:10 pm 3/10/2007

Primarily because it's my field, and I have the most experience in it.

As for female-dominated fields, a few of which are shrinking based on increases in pay (nursing), acrimonious debate does not seem to typify much of the tone of discussion. Again, though, I don't have direct experience in these fields: others would have to provide the empirical observation.

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Audrey - 12:41 pm 3/10/2007

I don't know any other women who like to engage in that kind of argument. I learned how to do it in college, which has been useful but sometimes unpleasant. It can also be fun if people are careful to not engage in personal attacks (this includes saying "everyone who believes X is an idiot" when you know that the other person does in fact have that belief).

I force myself to say "I'm angry" even when what I feel is hurt. Most people see "I'm hurt" as a conversation ender, I think even to the point of considering anyone who admits it to be manipulative.

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Shelley - 1:02 pm 3/10/2007

I agree Audrey — I myself have perceived people who say, "I'm hurt" to be manipulative, which is probably wrong. Being hurt is a valid response.

But I also use language to emphasize that I'm responding in an appropriate emotional context. Which makes me seem 'angrier', when what I'm trying to do is counter any possibility that my response is based on me being 'hurt'.

I don't mind at all engaging in an acrimonious debate. What I do mind is being excluded when I do.

It's a catch 22.

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Some pretty amazing insights here, Shelley.

For myself, I instinctively avoid getting angry. I've always attributed it to the uncontrolled wrath I received from my father when I was young, and my desire to never act like that. Even if someone is trying to physically hurt me, I have to consciously work up my anger. When I get angry in writing, it's almost always an act. I worry about hurting people. Not just women, but women especially — I have to admit it, even though it's sexist. I don't want to make anyone feel like my mother did when my father threw things. Does that make me a female? I think I could line up a few witnesses to the contrary.

I have known women (besides you, but you're included) who are able to debate with feeling without portraying a "careful or you might hurt me" attitude. Personally, I like it. I don't find it shrill at all. I guess 'shrill' might be defined roughly synonymously with histrionic. Rants are only histrionic if they exaggerate a problem, so that makes it a matter of personal opinion regarding how important is the topic under discussion. That's by no means limited by the gender of the debating parties, but I guess more people are comfortable with a man ranting on like an idiot than they are with a woman. That's cultural lag.

Me, I have a hard time getting offended. Like I said, I have to work up to it. I'd a whole lot rather say something funny about it, or about me in relation to it. Life is like a visit to the emergency room — if you can't find something to laugh at, it's gonna seem far too long.

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I force myself to say "I'm angry" even when what I feel is hurt.

I think this is the key here. I think most expressions of anger are reactions to hurt, and men just tend to be socialized to express their hurt as anger, whereas women are socialized to express it more directly as hurt. I think I'm more inclined to debate women, for less than noble reasons, i.e. the more transparent hurt makes it easier to "win" these debates.

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Shelley - 9:06 am 3/11/2007

Sterling, there was a time when I reacted with hurt, or hurt and anger mixed. Now, whether burned out or worn out, I rarely get hurt from any of this. It's good that you chose the path of not being like your Dad–too many people carry their parents' anger forward.

Scott: "I think I'm more inclined to debate women, for less than noble reasons, i.e. the more transparent hurt makes it easier to "win" these debates."

That is remarkably honest, and an extremely good point.

I also agree with you that the anger and hurt and, for good measure, fear, come from that same inner child that still hasn't learned to deal with negative events. But fear can be good, if it keeps you away from bears and tigers; and anger can be good if it drives you to make social change. But hurt? I think as humans, we're only one step away from the instinct to hide our hurt so the pack doesn't attack us. What does that say, then, about a society that encourages women to express hurt?

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I didn't mean to paint myself as a saint — there have been times when my anger was uncontrollable. But generally speaking, I detest the feeling and avoid it.

What does that say, then, about a society that encourages women to express hurt?

I think it says that we're only one step away (maybe not even one) from being a male-dominated species where the males are supposed to respond to a female's cry of hurt with protection, and thus win a mate. I think what really makes some men uncomfortable about a woman who gets angry instead of hurt is that they instinctively feel like their own balls were just cut off.

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To the extent that I react with hurt or anger, it tends to be about 50/50, but actually I usually react with some combination of bemusement ("wow, they just shot down their own argument"), frustration ("I must not be explaining myself correctly"), or in some extreme cases, outright contempt. Hurt requires that I take it personally *and* that I value the source's opinion in some way, while anger, real anger, I suppose is a step beyond contempt, but I don't reach it very often.

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