April 9th, 2007

The New York Times came out with an article on the recent 'lack of civility' events. Why is it that no matter what, David Weinberger and Robert Scoble end up in these?

Regardless, this was one of the more thoughtful and accurate articles, focusing more on the whole civility movement rather than issues related directly to any one person. The title was link bait, but then, the same could be said of this post and probably most other posts related to recent events.

I must say, though, that I have rarely had problems in my comments, and I've written quite strongly on topics. Additionally, I've seen as many vicious comments in men's weblogs, as I've seen in women's. I think the perceived 'threat to all women' supposedly inherent in weblogging has been exaggerated–not to our benefit, either.

According to the article, Tim O'Reilly and Jimmy Wales, of Wikipedia fame, have joined forces to bring about this newer, gentler atmosphere. Based on past actions of Mr. Wales, I wouldn't bet on this necessarily having a positive effect.

My opinion of all of this was stated previously, and I won't repeat it–not the least of which I write for Tim O'Reilly's book company, and don't want to tweak the hand, overmuch, that feeds me. However, I will repeat what I wrote in the comments to Tim's post discussing these new initiatives:

You created badges.

You actually created badges.

I just can't believe you created badges.

Yes, they actually created badges.

As for the so-called code of behavior, the only one I'll comment on here is the following:

4. When we believe someone is unfairly attacking another, we take action.

When someone who is publishing comments or blog postings that are offensive, we'll tell them so (privately, if possible–see above) and ask them to publicly make amends.
If those published comments could be construed as a threat, and the perpetrator doesn't withdraw them and apologize, we will cooperate with law enforcement to protect the target of the threat.

I'll say this once: if any of you ever once consider privately contacting me, to tell me that what I have written is 'offensive' or that I should apologize to another person, run, run fast, away from my place, and don't ever come back.

Yes, I am serious. No, I'm not joking. I do not write for children, here. I write for adults. If what I write offends, the person offended can tell me so to my face. If I feel they're right, I'll apologize. If not, I won't. If you don't like what I write, tell me in my comments or in your weblogs. Again, I may agree and apologize. Or, I may not, and won't.

But I will not have some interfering busybody playing nursemaid for another in my space.

In addition, if a post or comment is serious enough for the police, it's too serious to be retracted with an apology. The police have better things to do than babysit us.

Comments
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I get quoted a lot because I leave my cell phone number on my blog which lets reporters get to me within their deadlines. I got on the BBC one time because they couldn't get through to Microsoft's PR department (it was 5 a.m. — I answered the phone, they didn't). Translation: I make it easy for reporters to quote me.

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The Code as mooted suggests to non-bloggers that the arm of the law does not extend to the online world. I've successfully used existing structures to slap down racist comments. I've other screens that affectively block the mention of specific catch phrases from ever being published. These aren't new technologies. They don't require a badge to work well. It seems to me that if you're out to sell a rebadged capability, you can start by getting a NYT bounce to your initiative. That's clever but it won't work for me.

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jd - 5:37 am 4/9/2007

Thanks for this Shelley. I'm way out in the long tail & I'm not much bothered by blog predators, but I do occasionally express strong opinions. Let me join you in telling the busybodies to butt the hell out. I write for grownups too. I wonder if these techboys need a badge & a code (next they'll want guns) because they really never grew up & the only way they know how to be good is to have a cop on every corner.

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Bud Gibson - 5:48 am 4/9/2007

Where's the next frontier? This is becoming way too civilized.

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"Blogging Code of Conduct" - WHO ENFORCES IT?

"A system which runs on attention-mongering, demagoguery, and too many infamously abusive tin-pot egotists accountable to nobody but a handful of other BigHeads, is not going to be reformed because some self-promoters got the vapors and then decided to milk the publicity for all it's worth"

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Shelly - my out-loud office exclamation this morning reading this?

"Shelly Powers is my hero"

Thanks so much for writing what you write. You may get feel like you get marginalized at times. But you give voice to a crowd that's far more important to the future of the net, and to politics, and to real change.

But there's a whole lot of people out there that think for themselves, that understand that real discourse means tough words (and regret as much as anyone the real web intimidation - some of which started this saga) that aren't a bunch of self-aggrandizing web writers jumping on the unfortunate experience of others to shout to the mass media "look at me - I represent blogdom!" I'd much rather be part of that group and work to develop real meaning - than to be quoted as the web's equivalent to pop culture in the Times and to think that creating steekin' badges actually has any meaning at all.

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Ken Camp - 9:12 am 4/9/2007

I've seen all manner of fuckwittery and foolishness in the 24 or so years I've been living most of my daily life online. This takes the cake. Sadly, I won't fight the battle. I will simply disengage from anyone who thinks they're the fucking sheriff and puts this stupid badge up signifiying that they want to be a cybercop.

I just have no use for this sort of bullshit. Those would would close the circle of open communications with tactics like this are simply outside my circle of communications. And sphere of influence.

I can't have meaningful dialogue with this faction without deeply hurting tender sensibilities.

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These aren't new technologies. They don't require a badge to work well.

You could have said the same thing about "Web 2.0", but that didn't stop O'Reilly from trying (successfully) to brand that, either…

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Scott - 10:56 am 4/9/2007

Every time I start to write a blog post addressing this "code of conduct", I just end up laughing and typing "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA" for 50 or 60 lines.

It's just so ludicrous it's almost beyond belief. I keep expecting O'Reilly to post "that was the longest April Fools joke setup ever!" or something that explains why he thinks he, or anyone, can control what's going on over the entire WORLD.

I mean, that's what we are talking about here. Getting EVERYONE who uses the internet to behave the same way.

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About the badges: I concur. Feel free to use my "We don't need to steenking badges!" badge.

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Phil - 2:27 pm 4/9/2007

I've had a couple of reminders recently of the inferiority of blogging to Usenet, and here's a third. How do I plonk Tim O'Reilly?

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Karl - 3:44 pm 4/9/2007

Joey, I just may. That's exactly the line I thought when I saw Shelley's title here :)

Identifying a commenting code of conduct on your blog is one thing (I like Daily News blogger Will Bunch's http://attytood.com/: "PLEASE COMMENT WITH PASSION…
…but not with racial slurs, potentially libelous allegations, obscenities or other juvenile noise. Such comments will, at our discretion, be deleted in their entirety, and repeat offenders will be blocked from commenting. ALSO: Any commenter advocating killing any government official will be immediately banned.

Thanks. ")… but this….

This feels like a way to self-segregate and divide.

You can fully expect meta tags and aggregators to sub-select groups of 'participating' blogs in the near future.

The badges, in particular, hammer that home. I don't think I got it entirely before.

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[…] incidentally has some comments that are well worth reading. For further reading, Shelley Powers cuts to the chase as usual, Tom Evslin has a typically thoughtful piece, and Tristan Louis takes a long look at the […]

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[…] must assume responsibility for content posted by others. Shelley makes a good point about the subterranean communication channels proposed in #3, "If what I write offends, the person offended can tell me so to my […]

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Shelley - 4:08 pm 4/9/2007

Joey, if you make it, we will come.

"You can fully expect meta tags and aggregators to sub-select groups of 'participating' blogs in the near future." Ooo, Karl, you said bad words.

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Sergey - 4:20 pm 4/9/2007

Sorry if I'm getting too silly but aren't people who create badges called badgers?

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Where is my Easter Bonnet?

While some may see the blogosphere and the behavior of its participants as a new phenomenon, it isn't difficult to find an appropriate predecessor model. That model is found on the streets of any metropolitan area and it is called traffic and the prevalence of road rudeness…or in its extreme…road rage.

Granted, personal attacks and snark on the internet are not likely to lead to fatalities, but if computers had wheels, it certainly would.

The problem on the highway or the internet isn't going to be resolved through a badge system. Did anyone attend Easter mass yesterday and witness the value of symbols…no not the crucifix behind the altar or the statue at the entrance; I'm talking about the pretty new Easter outfits…complete with bonnets and bow ties. These are the outfits worn by the same people who also attend Christmas mass every year without fail…and then get into their shiny clean vehicle and race out of the parking lot without ever yielding to the old woman walking to her car that is parked in the back row because she forgot that it was Easter Sunday and foolishly arrived at the same time she does each and every Sunday.

Read more on the relationship between blog civility and Easter Bonnets…here:

http://www.thoughttheater.com

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I believe I'm going to have to try and break every one of those, as frequently and egregiously as possible. Yes, I think that might be fun.

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Shelley - 5:59 pm 4/10/2007

Sergey, I'm not sure if 'silly' is allowed in The Code.

Stav, so it's business as usual, yes?

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jeneane - 6:33 pm 4/10/2007

STAVROS!

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jeneane - 8:05 pm 4/10/2007

oh one more thing–where the hell is the "random civility badge generator" utility that would let us write our own cute phrases on TimO's little pointy sheriff's badge? Either that or i need one-a-them badges with an asshole on every tip of the star. (I will refrain from hot linking said holes to corresponding civilians).

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Yup, Shell, same meat different gravy!

STAVROS!

Hey, j! Hope you're feeling better after the hospital/firestorm…

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oh scoble, don't be so modess! i prefer to think of you more as new freedom with wings. you da man! :)

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jeneane - 12:56 pm 4/11/2007

OMG stavros made badges! What would they say in the web2.0valley: I SO heart them!

http://emptybottle.org/badges/ - Go now and get yers.

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Shelley - 10:48 pm 4/11/2007

They are good, aren't they?

He be a clever boy, our Stavros.

Thanks to all those who have contributed to the discussion. Comments are now closed, but you can contact the author of the post directly.