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The HTML5 silly season

Cynthia Shelly released an alternative proposed HTML5 draft that addresses the table summary attribute. The responses to her draft have been less than edifying, and demonstrate rather succinctly most things wrong with the HTML WG.

If you follow along in the thread, you’ll see Apple’s Maciej and IBM’s Sam Ruby go back and forth on protocol, a discussion Maciej ends with a suggestion to focus on salvaging a “proposal” from the work. The thing is, providing alternative text in a specification is the proposal, the only that is deemed acceptable to the HTML WG. At least, that’s what we’ve been told in the past.

Not that Cynthia is demanding that the text be used as is. This was a suggested text, addressing how summary could be discussed in the HTML5 specification, in order to ensure proper use. The proposal also removes summary from the obsolete list. Cynthia proposed this alternative text in order to generate discussion, leading to its refinement; to encourage team effort. Simple enough to understand, but then we’re subjected to the typical Ian Hickson disingenuous approach to anything he disagrees with: pretend he doesn’t understand what the proposal is all about.

I couldn’t find any description of what problem this proposal is trying to solve. Could you point me to the description of the issue that is being resolved here? Why is the text currently in the HTML5 spec not considered acceptable middle ground?

It is difficult to evaluate proposals without understanding what problems they are trying to solve.

Incidentally, I believe the process that we are supposed to be following these days is that when there is a problem in the spec, a bug should be filed describing the problem, so that the issue can be tracked. If you could file a bug (or point me to the relevant bug if one is already filed), that would be very helpful.

(At this point I would like to inform my readers: everyone can file a bug, you don’t have to be a member of any W3C organization to do so.)

So, HTML WG team members are told by one of the HTML WG Chairs to provide alternative specification text, while the HTML5 author countermands such a recommendation, with a note that we file bugs, instead. Seriously, I keep expecting the third stooge to enter the scene, stage left.

And he does. The author of validator.nu, worker extraordinaire for Mozilla, Henri Sivonen, puts on his court jester cap to derail even the potential for worthwhile discussion:

Further quotes are from the proposed text--not from Maciej:
> Summary is one way to provide explanatory information about tables  
> that consist of more than just a grid of cells with headers in the  
> first row and headers in the first column.
>
Does this intend to say that using @summary is categorically  
unnecessary when headers appear in the first column and/or first row?  
If so, it would be good to make this clear.
> Such explanatory information should introduce the purpose of the  
> table,
>
Shouldn't the purpose be stated to all readers?
> outline its basic cell structure,
>
Shouldn't this be generated by the AT from the table model?
> The information provided by the summary is needed by users who  
> cannot see the table, but would usually be redundant for those who  
> can.
>
This sentence sticks out as non-spec-like. It doesn't state a  
requirement, so it looks odd in the middle of a paragraph that states  
requirements.
> This must be done in a way that is associated with the table via  
> markup, such that user agents and assistive technology can  
> programmatically determine the relationship.
>
This sentence could make sense in WCAG-like contexts where things are  
defined in terms of what available software happens to support. It  
doesn't make sense in a spec that defines what software must support.  
(Furthermore, "programmatically determine" is a special term from  
other specs but isn't defined as part of the special vocabulary of the  
HTML5 spec.)

The proposed text seems to imply (in the edits done on examples) that  
having the explanation in a paragraph preceding the table isn't  
sufficient without an explicit aria-describedby link (misspelled in  
the proposed text as aria-described-by). Why is that not sufficient?
> When using summary in combination with another technique, authors  
> must not use the duplicate text, but instead use summary for the  
> parts of the description that are only useful to users who cannot  
> see the table.
>
What about duplicating information that AT should be able to voice  
based on the table model?
> <table summary="The table is divided into six columns: Map number,  
> Date, Area or stream with flooding, Reported deaths, Approximate  
> costs (uninflated), and Comments. The rows are grouped by flood  
> types into six subcategories: Regional flood, Flash flood, Ice-jam  
> flood, Storm-surge flood, Dam-failure flood and Mudflow flood." 
>
In this case, the first sentence clearly duplicates information that  
are trivially programmatically determinable by the AT from the table  
model (given proper <th> markup). As for the second sentence, I think  
it would be worth investigating if the salient content of the second  
sentence is also realistically programmatically determinable from the  
table model. On the face of it, discovering the content of the second  
sentence from the table model doesn't seem like an overly hard  
software problem.

So, the text of the proposal that Cynthia provides is addressed to humans, which Henri rejects, because Cynthia’s text should be addressed to machines. She discusses declarative markup, and addresses this discussion to people, in order to ensure that the summary attribute is properly used by web page authors and designers. Henri reduces the whole to algorithms, care and feeding of.

This is a perfect lead in to another discussion about HTML5 taking place elsewhere, in the W3C TAG, which has ultimate responsibility for ensuring the many specifications such as HTML5 work in a complementary manner for the web. The focus of the TAG at this time is detailing issues this group has with the current HTML5 draft, a discussion generating a typically mature level of discussion in the WhatWG IRC channel.

One such issue, as I have noted, as others have noted, is the fact that the specification is given in algorithmic terms, rather than as declarative text—based on discussions of a Document Object Model (DOM) with HTML markup given as a distant secondary item (barely covered, and leaving ripples of confusion in its wake).

The current rendering of the specification is considered more precise for the browser companies, for Mozilla, Google, Microsoft, Opera, and Apple, but the precision completely obfuscates the information needed by thousands, perhaps millions of web page authors and designers.

In the past, the main specification would be about the markup, with a secondary document describing the DOM. And oddly enough, this has worked, if we can believe the evidence of our eyes. Evidently, this wasn’t to the taste of the browser companies, who believe that it is more important that their needs be met, rather than the needs of the thousands, perhaps millions of web page authors and designers.

In addition, rather than leave many decisions up to the implementors of the specification, the editor’s draft seeks to detail, in minute detail, how everything is to be handled by implementors. Precise, very precise. Good luck with the 50,000 or so test cases.

So far, I have submitted three HTML5 bugs:

  1. When Web Workers was removed from the spec, orphan references were left – clean up is needed
  2. To remove the Microdata section, as it isn’t necessary, nor widely supported
  3. To allow other namespaced elements in SVG, since the use of these elements is valid within SVG

And I just submitted a bug for table summary. There will be others. Too bad I’m not one of the elite.

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HTML5 Specs W3C

If the Web were the petroleum industry

Ian Hickson, sole author of the HTML 5 specification, on standards in a recent #whatwg IRC discussion:

i think standards bodies are an outdated concept

Using the Firefox nightly, I was able to open an HTML5 document that contains a SVG graphic, and see it rendered, though the page was served as HTML. Wonderful! Unfortunately, running it through the HTML 5 conformance validator was less than joyful, which I’ll cover in more detail later.

For now, returning to Ian’s quote at the beginning of this post, I find it ironic that not only do we welcome, we demand that the browser companies be given free and unfettered reign to define the future of web standards, as they will.

Ironic, because if the web were any other industry—petroleum, pharmaceutical, airline, auto, electrical utility, and so on— allowing the companies who produce products in the industry, free and unfettered reign to define the standards for their industries, would draw howls of protests, and a demand for accountability.

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HTML5 Specs

This is your site. This is your site on HTML5.

Recently, a group of well known web designers issued a “Super Friends” declaration of support or HTML5, with an attached set of concerns. Most of the concerns had to do with the new “semantic markup” elements included in HTML5, such as section, article, and so on. I’ve not previously discussed these new semantic page markup elements, because I had other fish to fry. However, I decided to take a closer look at the elements, particularly at how I would use them for my Drupal sites.

Current Setup

Currently my page has a header, a footer, one sidebar, and the main content area. I have an H1 title for the page, and use H2 for weblog post titles, and H3 for sidebar titles.

I have a main navigation bar at the top of the page in the header, with a skip link for screenreaders. I also display an exploded view of my site navigation in the footer, in addition to copyright/about links. The sidebar contains additional navigational aids, such as links for monthly archives, recent writings, popular items, images, and so on.

All of the content areas are structured using a variety of unordered list items and DIV elements—all of which is typical, not only for a Drupal site, but also WordPress sites, and other CMS themed variations. I also use inline SVG for decoration.

Conversions: header, nav, and hgroup

Starting from the top, according to the HTML5 specification, I would use a header element to encapsulate the content that is currently contained within my DIV element given a class name of headwrap. This would include the top-level navigation, as well as the site title, which remains as an H1 header. According to the spec, the header doesn’t take part in the web page’s outline, which would map to what I would expect, both as a web designer and as a book author. In particular, as a book author, I wouldn’t expect the book title and subtitle to be part of the outline, nor would I expect the Table of Contents to actually display as part of the outline given in the TOC, and a book’s TOC, and a site’s navigation menu are synonymous.

In addition, I would also convert the DIV containing my site’s navigation to using the new nav element, wrapping it around the existing list items. From a Drupal perspective, the nav element maps to the Primary Links block that is standard with all Drupal installations. If I used the Secondary Links block, I would wrap also it in a nav element, and place it just below the main navigation menu.

Though I’ve seen several articles that list the nav element separate from the header, I would embed the nav element within the header, because I consider the main navigation to be part of the introductory text that the page header is supposed to contain. I think you could have them separate, but the key to determining whether they should be combined or separate is if the header part changes separately from the navigation section. If they’re not consistent with each other, they probably shouldn’t be grouped. If they are, they’re grouped. My main navigation and header contents never change, so I’m grouping them within header. Regardless of choice, the HTML5 specification does seem to support both variations of grouped and ungrouped header and nav.

My main navigation menu contains a skip link, which is a link that’s intended to take the person to the content area directly. There’s no harm in the link, and until screenreaders adapt fully to HTML5, I’ll keep the link.

Drupal also provides for a secondary title, or tagline area, which I don’t use. If I did, though, I would use the hgroup to group the H1 for the title and the H2 used for the secondary title. I know folks have had problems with hgroup, but as a book author, I’m aware of title and subtitle, and how they’re treated as one single entity, though with differing formatting. It really wasn’t a stretch to extend this concept to a web page, and the fact that hgroup just allows me to use two different heading element types, but treated as one unit. The element also ranks the headings within the hgroup by highest *header value, which is what I would expect.

Next comes the main content.

Conversion: Main content area, article and section

The main content is a little tricker, but again, I found if I looked at the HTML5 specification more as a book author, and less as a web designer, I felt a little more comfortable with the new elements.

Currently, all of my content, including header, sidebar, and footer, is wrapped in one big DIV element with a class name of rap. I wouldn’t change this, primarily because the overall wrapping has nothing to do with semantics, and everything to do with overall structure and presentation. It is actually synonymous with the body element, and used primarily to manage the margins of the content. Since the body element is, by definition, its own semantic element, defining the rap element using semantic markup is redundant.

For the actual content area, currently I have a DIV element wrapping all of the postings, and then list of one or more postings, each with an H2 header, a metadata section, the main content, and an inner footer containing other links, such as those for adding comments, number of page views, and so on.

After careful reading of both the section and article elements, as well as looking at past articles on the elements [1][2][3][4], I decided I would wrap the entire content area in a section element, though I’m ambivalent on this, and think that keeping it wrapped in a DIV would also work. The reason why I could keep the section as a DIV, is there is nothing about this section that is inherently useful, other than being a group of content. For each individual page, it’s actually redundant, because the main content area, and the article, would be synonymous. Since, there’s nothing semantically useful about the main content, the use of a DIV element would be acceptable, even preferred.

However, I thought about my use of the skip link, and the fact that it goes to the main content area. This, in a way, provides semantic justification to actually use a section element—it’s meaning extends beyond styling. The section is, according to the HTML5 spec, a thematic grouping of content, typically with a heading, possibly with a footer. One could even add a header, with “Main Content”, and there wouldn’t be anything out of the ordinary about it.

Converting the markup for the weblog post was a somewhat simpler task. It’s a given that each weblog post would be wrapped in an article element, especially since this type of element is used with content that can be stand alone, or pulled directly from the page and reproduced elsewhere. Think of syndication feeds, and what works for the web page, works for the feed, and hence, using article is a natural choice. How I would mark up the content within the article, though, gets a bit tricker. I had to put my web designer hat away, and put on my book author beanie with the rest of the content conversion.

Within the article element then, I would add a header for the title, and the address element for the author name. Since address is really meant for “contact” information, I would also wrap the author name in a link for the author’s contact page, or email address, I’m not sure which at the moment.

I have other material at the beginning of a weblog post that doesn’t seem to fit within any element, such as publish date, and taxonomy. And this is where things really get tricky.

Should I continue using a DIV element for this data? Or is this where I would use a new section? There is a time element, but it is described as a machine readable element for adding information to a calendar, and not appropriate for my date, at all. Plus, I use **RDFa for marking up all of my metadata such as this, and I’m not sure how Dublin Core data will work with the time element.

But hold on folks…the time element has a second definition, which is semantically different. There is an attribute, pubdate, associated with time. This is a boolean value. If set to false, then time is a calendar event; if set to false, then time is an actual publication date, if the time element is contained within and article. So I would use time but make sure that pubdate is set to true. I would also add my RDFa annotation to the time element.

I’m not entirely happy about the overloaded semantics of the time element, but grudgingly willing to use it. I’m not so bugged about the overloading to actually protest against the element, or refuse to use it, primarily because I really depend on RDFa to record my meaningful semantics in the web page.

As for the other material, such as the taxonomy items, I decided I would leave them in a DIV element, each with its own RDFa to annotate with the metadata information. I imagine I could use a section element, but frankly, it doesn’t feel right. The information really isn’t a new section, it’s just annotative data about the article. But since it is annotative about the article, I believe it, like the time element should be in the article’s header.

HTML Conversion: Aside, Figure and Legend

The rest of the article will be marked up with the usual mix of unordered lists, paragraphs, block quotes, and so on. Another change, though, will be the use of the new aside element. As a book author, I am aware of what a sidebar is, and how it’s used: it’s used to annotate text that doesn’t have to be included within the flow of the page, but could be pulled out and placed elsewhere, depending on page layout. The text itself is related to the main chapter topic, but it’s additional information that isn’t necessary in order to follow the flow of the main text.

It’s unfortunate that sidebar has another meaning in web page design, being use to refer to the a secondary column within the page flow that could contain navigational items, images, ads, and so on. What makes it doubly unfortunate is that the term sidebar is used to describe aside in the HTML5 specification, but the term is used as a book author or publisher would use the term, not a web designer.

Regardless, it could be a handy element, and I have no confusion about how it’s meant to be used, though I’m concerned that current discussions will redefine it’s use—to that of web design sidebar—in which case I won’t use it.

Another main content element impacted by HTML5 is how to annotate images. Currently, I use the img element to mark images. However, HTML5 introduces the figure element, which can be used to wrap the img element, and also a legend element, which provides the image’s caption. It’s meant to be used when the figure is such that it could be pulled, along with its caption, to a separate space within the web site, such as an appendix.

Again, thinking more like a book author and less like a web design person, figure makes perfect sense. You wouldn’t use it to wrap decorative images that you insert into an article to add a bit of color or flair, but you should use it when you reference the image from the text, or it serves an illustrative purpose.

There has been some pushback on figure primarily because legend has been redefined from HTML 4, where it was used with a form fieldset. However, I think of it less as a redefinition, and more of a extension of the same capability to new areas. My main concern is how existing browsers would handle the element when they parse it. That’s the real issue when you redefine or extend the purpose of an element in HTML5 that existed in prior HTML versions. Still, unless I find browsers throw a hissy fit, I would probably use figure and legend. I would also continue using the alt attribute to mark up the image for accessibility purposes. Speaking of accessibility…

HTML Conversion: Accessibility and ARIA

I am committed to making my pages as accessible as possible, and that also includes the use of the summary attribute for data tables, as well as using the newly defined ARIA annotation of HTML5 elements [5]. The changes to accommodate the new attributes, role and aria-* are extensive, and will require a careful perusal of their purposes, to ensure I understand how best to use them.

However, it shouldn’t be overly difficult to incorporate the ARIA annotation, especially with a tool like Drupal, and especially with Drupal 7, when we’ll have a much finer control of the page generation.

HTML Conversion: Article and Footer, Article and Comments

At the end of my weblog posts is more information, such as a link to add comments, comment count, page views, and so on. This data is currently enclosed in a DIV element. From my understanding of the HTML5 description, I should be using footer to encapsulate this information.

In addition, from my understanding of the HTML5 specification, I should use a section element to wrap the entire comment area, and then use article for each comment, each with its own little header and footer. It seems like a lot of elements, but all of these items are currently wrapped in DIV elements, so the number of elements will end up virtually the same after conversion.

This ends the description of the main content area. Other elements will be used in the main content, including SVG, possibly MathML, and video, code, pre, and ***dialog, but I’ll leave these for another time. Next up, is a discussion on the remaining two sections of the web page: the sidebar and the main page footer.

HTML Conversion: Sidebar and main page Footer

One thing I would definitely not do, is use aside for the web document’s sidebar. Not as it is currently defined, and if it gets redefined, I still wouldn’t use it.

The use of section to enclose the sidebar makes sense. If you think on it, my current document isn’t main content and sidebar—it’s two columns, with different data in each. So, if you use section for one column, you should use section for the other column(s).

Within the sidebar, though, I use DIV elements to manage the different display blocks. Technically I suppose I could use the section element for these, but I use DIV elements specifically to control the spacing, layout, and presentation of the data in the sidebar. To me, this fits the semantic purpose of DIV, which is a perfectly acceptable element. I will continue to use the DIV element when I’m grouping content specifically because I want to group them for a specific reason, and that reason is more to do with styling or ease of access than because of any semantic meaningfulness.

However, I will annotate the contents of the sidebar (or second column, if you will), with ARIA annotations, as well as RDFa, and make use of unordered lists to display lists of items. I’m not throwing semantics to the wind.

As for the page footer, it is odd to have a footer associated with each article, and then have a page footer. However, the content already has class names to mark the differences (including how each is styled), and I will continue with those class names. As a book author, I think of article footer as footnotes for a page, and web page footer as end notes for a chapter, or book. Gets me through the web designer angst with multiple footers in a page.

Currently my web pages have an exploded site menu contained in the footer. I suppose one should wrap this in a nav element also. Originally, the footer was defined in such a way that it couldn’t contain a nav element, but I gather that feedback on this item has changed the HTML5 author’s mind, and we can now use a nav element in footer. Hard to say, the information isn’t readily apparent to a web page author from the HTML5 document.

The footer will contain an address element with contact information, and probably a section to enclose the other data, such as copyright.

The overall page footer does make me wonder, though, whether I shouldn’t convert the overall DIV element identified as “rap” to a section because the footer element is associated with sectioned content, which includes articleasidesection, and nav. Actually, the more I think on this one, the more I think I’ll convert “rap” to a section element, too.

HTML Conversion: the remaining issues

I still have other content that I need to convert. This includes the page level navigation that’s at the end of a Drupal book, or at the bottom of archive and main pages. One would think to use the nav element, but the description of the element seems to preclude its use:

The nav element represents a section of a page that links to other pages or to parts within the page: a section with navigation links. Not all groups of links on a page need to be in a nav element — only sections that consist of major navigation blocks are appropriate for the nav element. In particular, it is common for footers to have a list of links to various key parts of a site, but the footer element is more appropriate in such cases, and no nav element is necessary for those links.

This also makes me wonder about the use of nav to wrap my exploded site map in the footer, as described in the last section. The same goes for the sidebar links for archives, popular content, and recent writings: these are, technically navigation aids. However, they don’t seem to fit the constraints surrounding nav. In fact nav seems to be more about a site’s main menu than necessarily navigation, provided more as a way of eliminating the skip link than actually annotating navigation. The nav element definitely needs more clarification about its use. Right now, the description of when to use it is too vague.

I’ll have to think more on the use of nav, not to mention sectionarticleheader, and so on. But I think I’ve made a good start on converting to an XHTML5 document. To continue, I would do what others are currently doing, and rename class and identifiers on my DIV elements to what their HTML5 equivalents will be, just to test out how it all works together, and still ensure proper CSS support in all browsers.

I’m not ready to convert to XHTML5 yet, though, not while there are unanswered questions, and unresolved issues. For instance, I did an HTML5 page with an inline SVG graphic served as HTML, which should be valid, though no browser currently renders inline SVG in HTML. However the HTML5 validator throws numerous errors. There are deep gaps in understanding between web page author and implementors, and among web page authors and implementors, about what is “valid” or “conforming” HTML5. Too deep, and too many to roll out for a production site. Perhaps after Last Call.


*The biggest problem I have with the new HTML5 elements is their names. Prior to HTML5, when we talk about header we were talking about a generic entity, page fragment, or concept. Now, when I mention header in context with HTML5, am I mentioning the element? Or am I referencing the concept? The same applies to section, article, and footer. Sometimes using common names is not the best solution when it comes to designing a new markup language. Still, we’ll have to hope that the context of use will be enough to differentiate between generic concept and specific element.

**Currently, I serve my pages up as application/xhtml+xml, so it’s no problem incorporating RDFa into the content. Contrary to the persistent rumor, XHTML is alive an well in HTML5 (though the encapsulation of XHTML within a document labeled “HTML5” has been caused considerable confusion). However, the RDFa community is currently working on a new draft of RDFa that will allow RDFa annotation in documents served up as plain HTML, too. This is important, because RDFa is incorporated, by default, into Drupal 7, as well as being the format most used for Creative Commons licenses, and some of Google’s new metadata search efforts. In many cases the documents involved are served as HTML, not XHTML. Whatever happens, and by whom, RDFa will exist in HTML5, regardless of whether the document is served as HTML or XHTML, and regardless of whether such use is deemed “conforming” or not.

***I dislike the dialog element. I do not like redefining the behavior for the dt and dd elements based on the container element (dialog or definition list element, dl). I understand about issues associated with redefining definition lists for dialogs, but the state isn’t improved when you redefine the semantics of dd and dt, depending on their container. Nothing is gained.

[1] http://www.alistapart.com/articles/previewofhtml5
[2] http://boblet.tumblr.com/post/130610820/html5-structure1
[3] http://orderedlist.com/articles/structural-tags-in-html5
[4] http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-html5/
[5] http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#annotations-for-assistive-tec…

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People Specs

I lock my door at night

I’m not sure why the WhatWG folks thought that keeping an open door to the Twitter @whatwg account on the front page of their web site is a good idea, but it’s been interesting watching the *updates. Most are pretty juvenile, but there’s been some interesting snark along the way. Mostly, the posts have been by people asking why the WhatWG thought this was a good idea, as WhatWG followers are dropping like flies, tired of being spammed.

Interesting, too, that the WhatWG members are posting on the WhatWG IRC that the openness of the Twitter account was by decision, not by accident. Bragging about it, actually. After all, only a few spam messages will get through. Of course, that was before someone posted a note to the WhatWG IRC about the openness, making people aware of the capability. Once the open door was found, that’s all she wrote. The only thing keeping some control on the postings is the Twitter API limits.

To me, deciding to keep the door open to the WhatWG Twitter account highlights some of the problems we’ve had with the WhatWG folks in regards to HTML5: they see the world as this perfect utopia, where everyone follows the rules. If people don’t follow the rules, then the rules must be changed, because obviously, there’s something wrong with the rules.

Case in point: the table summary attribute isn’t being used correctly, not because people make mistakes, but because it’s bad and has to be removed, before someone gets hurt! Of course, those who advocate for its removal totally disregard that the bad summary attributes are attached to equally bad HTML table uses, too. But that’s not the point!

RDFa is too hard for people to use, and must be replaced by microdata. Why? Because Google make an RDFa error when it rolled out its support recently. But, it wasn’t a Google mistake, according to Ian Hickson, it was something inherently wrong with RDFa. Google quickly corrected its mistake error, but by that time, the damage was done: RDFa was shown to be a flawed system that needed to be replaced by something better. Why? Because people don’t make mistakes.

The same as people won’t spam an open Twitter account.

And now the folks on the WhatWG IRC are discussing the fact that those posting spammish messages to the WhatWG twitter account don’t understand the consequences of their actions. As jgraham wrote:

Lachy: I know that you can take some measures to cover your tracks, but in practice many people don’t bother and find that actions that they took believing that they would be free of consequences are not actually as anonymous and as free of consequences as they had assumed

In other words, never doubt your own judgment, when you can safely and easily find a way to dump any responsibility of your decisions on someone else.

The thing is, people learn from mistakes. A neighbor gets robbed, and we learn to lock our doors at night. People make mistakes with the summary attribute, or with RDFa, or any web technology, and we learn to provide better documentation. We are capable of learning from our past mistakes, learning, and doing a better job. We even learn to shut down that open door way to a Twitter account when it’s getting spammed.

There is no such thing as the perfect utopia where things can be made in such a way that no one is capable of making a mistake. All we can do is learn from the past, and do better in the future.

*Oh, and by the way? That “summary rules!” post was mine.

update

Evidently the WhatWG folks have finally realized that maybe an open door is a problem. Don’t expect an apology or acknowledgement, though:

factoryjoe: well, ok. some acknowledge might help people feel better that no more spam is forthcoming
Hixie: i expect that no more spam being forthcoming will make people feel better than spam telling them that no more spam is forthcoming

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HTML5 Specs

HTML5: Canvas must go

Latest in my HTML5, A Story in Progress: Separating Canvas out of HTML 5.

Recent discussions about Canvas and accessibility should highlight the importance of pulling the Canvas object API from the HTML 5 specification. The HTML WG went outside its charter to incorporate the Canvas API into the HTML 5 specification. Keeping it in is not good for the HTML 5 spec, nor is it good for the Canvas element.

It wasn’t up to the HTML WG to insist that the Canvas element either be included in the HTML 5 specification or some other formal working group. The group can’t just grab things in, willy nilly, like crows grab a piece of tinsel because it sparkles in the sun. Oh! Me want! Me want!