March 7th, 2005

The Better Bad News folk did a take on the AutoLink fooflah, which is worth a chuckle, though not necessarily a guffaw. However, what I found more interesting about the page is the *list of webloggers that the BBN folks referenced:

1. Opt Out Petition
2. Dan Gillmor
3.The Scoblizer
4. Dave Winer
5. Cory Doctorow
6. Time
7. Mark Jen
8. Steve Rubel
9. Kas Log
10. Tim Bray

with sonic support from Plastikman

Aside from the Time article, which is actually written by a woman, and the petition, all of the webloggers linked were men. Every single one.

This matched closely what I found at Doc Searls, in his post on AutoLink. He references the following bloggers:

Steve Gillmor
Tim Bray
Dave Winer
Dan Gillmor
Fred Von Lohmann
Craig Burton
ubermostrum at kuroshin

Again, all guys.

Point of fact, if you follow the thread of this discussion, you would see something like Dave linking to Cory who then links to Scoble who links to Dave who links to Tim who links to Steve who then links to Dave who links to Doc who follows through with a link to Dan, and so on. If you throw in the fact that the Google Guys are, well, guys, then we start to see a pattern here: men have a real thing for the hypertext link.

Well, huh. How about that. Not being a guy, I couldn't understand this male obsession with the link, so I decided to call on an expert on gender roles about the issue: Lawrence Summers, Harvard's current President.

"Larry," I said. "What is is with guys and links?"

"Well Shelley, statistics–now, don't worry, I won't show you any actual values because being a women and all, we know that you can't do more than count your ten fingers and toes–anyway, statistic show that guys are linked more than women, and link to each other more than they link to women. And when one guy links to another guy, a whole bunch of other guys come along and link them both, and then start linking to each other."

"I'm aware of the behavior, Larry. But what causes it?"

He beamed at me, patted me on my head and chucked me under the chin. "Why honey, it's because the male brain is wired for linking!"

I'll have to admit, I was taken aback by Larry's response. I mean, it didn't make sense that a guy's brain could be better able to handle linking, especially since women also use the link.

"Larry, are you sure that linking isn't a pattern based on cultural and social similarities, rather than gender-based differences in the brain? Guys are linked more because our current society and most cultures still see men as 'authorities', regardless of demonstrated capability?"

Larry just smiled, somewhat sadly and shook his head.

"All too often we think that guys are linked more than women because of social patterns, but that's really not the case. Look, there are three reasons why men are linked more than women, and I'll take them in the order of importance."

He held up the index finger on his right hand. "The first reason men are linked more is based on interest and time. Women just aren't interested in weblogging as much as the men, and don't have the time for it, even if they are interested. You ask both men and women the question, 'What's more important: your families or your weblog?', and I bet you'll find that women, overall, will pick their families over their weblogs."

He held up the middle finger on his right hand. "The second reason is aptitude — men and women's brains are different, and men are more equipped to handle the complexities of the link, as compared to women."

Larry then held up the third finger, almost indifferently and said, "And then there's the social issues, but I don't want to get into this because anything having to do with social issues means folks like me have to change, and we don't want that." He quickly lowered his third finger. "And I don't want to get into time and interest, because I'm running out of time and the topic has little interest", and with that, he lowered the index finger, leaving only the middle finger raised.

"And that leads us back to men and women's brains being different, and men being better equipped to handle linking."

At that point, Larry noticed the stunned look on my face, my mouth opened in astonishment. He said, "Seriously, I think it's important to focus this topic on the hard wired differences between men and women, virtually to the exclusion of any other discussion."

"To take an example I discussed previously, when I gave weblogging tools to my twin little girls, and they are Daddy's good little girls might I add, it wasn't long after I showed them what a link was that they were calling them 'Daddy links', 'Mommy links', and 'Baby links'. Leaving aside that all the television they watch features ads with little girls playing house and pretending to be mommies, how else can you explain this behavior other than the female brain perceives the link in a different way from the male brain?"

The conversation continued from that point, but I don't remember much of it as my brain was in a red haze–I imagine that Larry would say it was because I am a woman and we were, after all, discussing links. Later that day, though, not feeling overly satisfied with his answers, I sought out the one fountain of wisdom I always returned to, again and again, whenever I was troubled about gender issues: Mags the bartender down at the Bushels of Beer Bar & Grill.

When I got there, business was slow and Mags was wiping down the counter. Her hair was steel gray, though strands of golden blonde appeared here and there–she always did miss a few when she colored. Peering out at me from behind thick, fake glasses, she smiled broadly, easily re-cutting the lines long creased into her cheeks. She was a lovely woman, though she spent a great deal of time trying to live this down.

"Shelley! What are you doing here on a fine afternoon! I thought you walked during this time of day?", she said, reaching under the counter at the same time to get the mixings for my usual margarita.

"Skip the drink today, Mags." I said, heavily, as I plopped down on the stool. "What I want from you is advice, not booze."

I then proceeded to tell her all about Google's new AutoLink, and my own findings on men and links, and the conversation with Larry the Harvard President. She nodded from time to time, as if nothing I said was unexpected. When I was finished, she looked at me a moment and then did something she rarely did — come out from behind the counter to sit on the stool next to me.

"Shelley, I'm not surprised by anything you're saying. But you might be surprised when I say that I sort of agree with your Harvard President — men do think differently about links than women."

I was surprised, and showed it.

"Oh, I don't mean that men and women's brains are wired so differently that men are naturally more adept at linking then women. No, the difference between men and women lies in how men perceive links, not their ability to use them."

She leaned closer to me, even though no one else was in the place.

"You see, guys see links as an extension of themselves. "

Extensions of themselves? Extensions? Slowly, understanding dawned.

"You mean…"

"You always were a bright girl, mores the pity." She said, winking at me. "You got it in one. To you and me, a link is just a link. To a guy, however, a link is something special, a part of himself. The most,um, important part of himself."

Time for plain speaking. "Mags, are you telling me that guys equate links with their dicks?"

Mags just smiled, patted my hand one more time, and then got up and moved back behind the counter.

"Shelley, to a woman, a link is a way of connecting and being connected. To hearing and being heard. But not so for a guy. Guys see links as power, and therefore something precious, and to be protected. They hold on to their links as tightly, and as lovingly, as a thirsty drunk holds onto a bottle."

At that moment I had a mental image, of a male weblogger I know, carefully adding a link to his post, bright, feral grin on his face, manic glaze to his eyes. But instead of typing into a keyboard he was…oh, that's disgusting!

I shuddered, world twisted upside down. "Surely, Mags, not all guys think this way!"

Mags shook her head. "No, this attitude isn't universal among men. There are many guys who see a link as nothing more than a way of inviting a conversation or passing along useful information. They link without regard to the consequences, and the most they hope for is that it might spark an interesting discussion."

She stopped wiping the counter and leaned closer to me, lowering her voice. "The power-link guys have a word for men who link just to link," she whispered. "They call them linkless."

At that point, a couple of people entered the bar and Mags hurried off to do her job, leaving me to think on our extraordinary conversation. The more I thought on Mags words, though, the more I could see the truth in them. Much that has confused me about this environment is explained if one considers for a moment that some men think of links as some form of virtual penis.

For instance, 'nofollow' wouldn't just be a misuse of HTML and a way for Google to solve the weblogger pest problem: it would be way of increasing the power of one's link– literally a hypertext version of Viagra. As for Google, it becomes both the hand and the condom, enabling and protecting at the same time.

Sites such as Technorati become the internet version of a locker room, where the guys can hang around, comparing themselves to each other. Those that come up short look at their better endowed brothers with both envy and admiration; sucking up in order to increase their own stature.

When we women ask the power-linkers why they don't link to us more, what we're talking about is communication, and wanting a fair shot of being heard; but what the guys hear is a woman asking for a little link love. Hey lady, do you have what it takes? More important, are you willing to give what it takes?

Groupies and blogging babes, only, need apply.

And the phrases, "circle jerk" and "Google juice", take on new depth and sudden meaning in light of this discovery.

I wandered home from the bar, in a daze of comprehension so strong, it literally staggered me. I thought back on what started this all: the AutoLink. Now, I could understand the concern: it was all about protecting the Link.

What I see is functionality that can only be used in one browser, in one operating system, and only when the weblog reader pushes a button; when pushed, the tool only autolinks a few items: addresses and ISBN numbers and a few other innocuous odds and ends. To me, this is no big thing, but to those who run afeard of this technology, if we treat this service indifferently, other tools will take this as a sign of easy compliance and do truly evil things with the link.

We could then have 'neocon' and 'progressive' linking toolbars, that automatically link words such as 'patriot' to either Michelle Malkin or Atrios if the reader pushes a button. Or syndication toolbars that convert the word "Atom" to a link to the RSS 2.0 specification. (Resulting in such fine combinations as: "RSS 2.0 and Eve" and "Water is made up of two RSS 2.0 of hydrogen and one RSS 2.o of oxygen.")

Why, some toolbars might even link terms to Wikipedia entries, and modern civilization, as we know it, would collapse into tattered heaps of folksonomic trash.

But not all guys saw AutoLink as the damnation of all mankind. No, a few anarchists in the crowd are always looking for opportunities to rip open the constraints and just let it All Hang Loose.

Yes, so much is explained now. Where I saw AutoLink as a relatively uninteresting and innocuous innovation, to some guys it was a way of dropping their pants and swinging what they got, while to others, it was a big metal Zipper, just waiting to catch the unwary.

*What I want is a toolbar that will automatically link webloggers, so I don't have to do it.

Tagback:

Comments
1

ROTFL!

2
Elisa - 4:35 pm 3/7/2005

You rock my world!

3

Links are pretty innocent … wait till we start doing sticky cyber molecules with RSS.

4

The phrase "precious bodily fluids" comes to mind. Priceless piece of writing, Bb.

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Firas - 5:09 pm 3/7/2005

LOL.

6

LOL, this is simply the best explanation of the AutoLink issue I have read yet.

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Steve S - 6:29 pm 3/7/2005

Shelley, Shelley, where have you been? It must have been good. Your voice is back as strong and wit-full as ever!

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Bud Gibson - 7:43 pm 3/7/2005

Well, yeah, you're right, there's no doubt these guys are an old boys network. Very tough to crack, and they are rather enamored with the notion of being alpha bloggers. But, hey, I linked to you big time at the end of this post. Even used the tagback notion:

http://thecommunityengine.com/home/archives/2005/03/a_learning_blog.html

Hey, was tagback tongue-in-cheek too.

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PZ Myers - 7:44 pm 3/7/2005

I linked to you here, but now I'm feeling guilty. Should I have at least bought you dinner first? Brought you flowers? Should I call?

I need to rest for a little while, but can I do it again, later?

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Gary - 7:51 pm 3/7/2005

I think the comment about alpha bloggers nails the issue. Very Funny post, BB!

Thanks!

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Priceless!

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Yule - 12:37 am 3/8/2005

Holy cow, that was funny! Shelley, you're brilliant!

And the phrases, “circle jerk� and “Google juice�, take on new depth and sudden meaning in light of this discovery.

Indeed!

13
Charles - 1:46 am 3/8/2005

Everyone knows the A-List parties are a bore, the cool parties are all B-List.

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Frenzie - 3:46 am 3/8/2005

This is great. :D The first weblog entry in some time which really amused me.

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Jerry - 5:44 am 3/8/2005

And that means the "missing link" is…

16

Ow!

If I may quote yet another man, Jim Carey: "Smokin'!"

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phaTTboi - 7:06 am 3/8/2005

Funny bit, Shelley, but think about Autolink again after you watch this little Flash thing:
http://www.robinsloan.com/epic/

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Jonas Galvez - 12:01 pm 3/8/2005

ROFLMAOPMP. Shelley, you just made my da..er..week. Thanks.

19

I echoed too: Google AutoLink as Sexual Dimorphism

"But … but … isn't it just the territorial imperative? As men, we
are culturally expected to be responsible for the defense of the
community against invaders. Which, in cyberspace, then must translate into
defending the HTML page against outsiders who might appropriate the
link-resources for their own click-"progeny". So, from this
perspective, we form into hunting bands to better make use of scarce
energy resources. Hence … both the A-list, and their reaction,
is the inevitable neural programming of the sociobiology of blogolution."

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Bill Ware - 2:24 pm 3/8/2005
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Hmm … let me link to my own website simply by virtue of posting here … kind of auto-linking in a semi-auto-erotic way …

Tongue planted firmly in, ummm, cheek, of course.

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Roxanne - 5:38 pm 3/8/2005

*applause*

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susan - 12:07 am 3/9/2005

thank you for being so articulate–you nailed it.

24

So, what does it then mean when a guy does link to a girl? ;-)

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No one of consequence - 9:06 am 3/9/2005

Here is what Lawrence Summers actually said:
http://www.president.harvard.edu/speeches/2005/nber.html

But I suppose it's more fun to paint him as some over-the-top sexist pig.

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TDavid - 10:03 am 3/9/2005

Apparently at least one woman doesn't link either, look at the blogroll on this page … er, wait, there is no blogroll. In fact, there are no links anywhere on this page save for self-reference. Doh!

(and that's not cranky, that is inspired)

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Troy - 10:53 am 3/9/2005

Nice.

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Even less consequential than the other guy - 11:58 am 3/9/2005

What the other guy say plus, what woman say someethin interest about autolink, if she do and not get link, big deal. An Shell if she man talk like that bout woman, everoyn say she sexis pig. So she sexis pig.

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Susanna - 12:35 pm 3/9/2005

Absolutely hysterical. Love it!

Sites such as Technorati become the internet version of a locker room, where the guys can hang around, comparing themselves to each other.

I only found out about Technorati when I heard other people refer to it on blog posts. Same thing with blogrolls. It had never occurred to me to trade or collect links on my blog like Magic: The Gathering cards. But then, I started blogging in the dark ages in a near-vaccuum, so I thought of my blog as a place to keep track of my opinions, observations, and experiences, not as a medium for information dissemination or social networking.

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Thank you note:

OK, I've sufficiently recovered from reading your post to breathe. Fabulous. Any interest in a BlogHerCon fest to move the needle?

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shelleyp - 1:50 pm 3/9/2005

I've been enjoying reading the reactions to this post probably more than any other I've written–and seeing the wonderful sense of humor that so many folk hereabout have. It really re-awakens my enthusiasm for all of this.

Oh, and to the folks who linked me: it felt so good! I hope it was good for you, too ;-)

Just a quick clarification to the person of no consequence: I don't think you actually clicked the links in this writing, because I do link to Larry's speech, as per your link. But hey! Larry's a real bud to women so I don't mind him being linked twice.

Lisa, your BlogHerCon has real appeal, not the least of which it would be fun to attend. There are so many kickass ladies who blog, how could it not be fun? But one thing I'm starting to realize is that women make most of a difference when we participate, rather than isolate.

It's taken me a while, and patient observation from some smart ladies and gents, but I've learned that I support feminism and women in technology more when I write essays such as this–never forgetting the power of humor to make a point–or when I write about technology, directly, or attend technology conferences, than I ever could just writing about feminism or attending events 'about' women in technology (or women in weblogging).

It can get discouraging at times when you feel you've written something really good and get little response; you don't know if it's because what you've written isn't all that hot, or because you're a woman, and your views get obscured by your gender. But I've slowly, and painfully, come to learn that beating people about the head with the obvious only creates more smoke rather than more clarity, if this makes sense.

So I will write on technology and continue writing on technology, and more and more and more and any walls that exist because of my gender will have to give way by the sheer strength of my determination, and the power of my will…well, and hopefully the goodness of my writing. Ahem.

So, next time Dave Winer has a bloggercon, what say you and I and about 500 of our closest weblogging women friends crash the party? Better yet, we'll have our own and let him crash the party if he promises not to pat us on the head and chuck us under the chin?

However, if you do have a BlogHerCon, and if the attendance is open to men and women, both, you can count on my support.

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Shaded - 2:07 pm 3/9/2005

Hilarious! Bravo!

Any guy who takes themselves so seriously that they can't laugh at this - absolutely falls within it's context.

33

Don't worry, I laughed. Quite a few times. You've got a real gift for writing Shelley. Something I must have somehow missed.

Well done :D

34

Did you see my blog? My Lifetime Digital Memory…

The World 2 Come
http://divedi.blogspot.com

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Loco - 6:20 pm 3/9/2005

Classic~ ^^

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jeneane - 6:42 pm 3/9/2005

YAY!

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Devon - 7:03 pm 3/9/2005

Absolutely cracked me up — especially without realizing it, I'd linked a half dozen friends to this article. D'oh!

Bray found it pretty funny — you can thank his mention for drawing me here:

http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2005/03/08/ABigMetalZipper

And I just want you to know Shelley, that link comes as a special extension of me. :)

38

Man that was funny–no pun intended.

Me link pretty someday.

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Anonymous - 8:39 pm 3/9/2005

Could this post be any longer? Ugh…

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Maureen - 10:47 pm 3/9/2005

I have real problems regarding my computer and weblog as sex objects. Now linking does have sexual connotations, but usually in real life not virtual. Fun Stuff!

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Robert - 11:24 pm 3/9/2005

ROFLMAOWTA (wiping tears away).

Men must be taught as if you taught them not,
And things unknown propos'd as things forgot.

— Alexander Pope

Especially men.

–Gaia

Ah, this online journal thing is for the birds. Let's move on, beyond silly little words and sentences. Let's begin to communicate only in streams of lightning-speed images interspersed with product names and logos and explosion noises and stills from the old Incredible Hulk TV show. And hyperlinks. Don't forget those.

–mimi smartypants

Damn, still ROFLMAOWTA. thanks, shelley.

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Chloe - 11:48 pm 3/9/2005

As I read this, it became less & less funny. :(
Not because of a lack of skill in writing, indeed possibly because of cleverness of the writing, probably.
Because it sounded more and more like describing the boys network as narcissists. Which would be funny… if it weren't such a serious psychological disorder being described. And especially since it seems eerily accurate in some ways.

http://www.drirene.com/1_nar.htm
"The narcissist is a solipsist. He carries the whole universe in his mind. To him, nothing exists except himself. Meaningful others are his extensions, assimilated by him, internal objects - not external ones."

The Cyber Narcissist
The positive characteristics of the Net are largely lost on the narcissist. He is not keen on expanding his horizons, fostering true relationships, or getting in real contact with other people. The narcissist is forever the provincial because he filters everything through the narrow lens of his addiction. He measures others – and idealizes or devalues them – according to one criterion only: how useful they might be as Sources of Narcissistic Supply.

http://www.drirene.com/6_nar.htm
Question: Do narcissists hate women?
Answer: Narcissists abhor and dread getting emotionally intimate and they regard sex as a maintenance chore, something they have to do in order to keep their source of secondary supply. Moreover, many narcissists tend to engage in FRUSTRATING behaviours toward women. They will refrain from having sex with them, tease them and then leave them, resist flirtatious and seductive behaviours and so on.

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By the way, check out some similar A-listy ideas (but less witty) in:

http://www.thenationaldebate.com/blog/archives/2005/02/why_blogging_su.html

"For all the hype about "blogs" as the democratization of journalism the reality is that you can count on two hands the number of writers TV producers put on air as "bloggers" - or are widely quoted in print."

(no personal connection, I just thought it was a good post)

44
Euan - 4:15 am 3/10/2005

Brilliant Shelley!

:-)

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Rob - 8:03 am 3/10/2005

You know you got linked on MSNBC's Clicked, right?

The underlying issue in the Powerline post above is equality of gender representation -similar to what we've seen discussed in the blogosphere. In that vein, Burningbird continues on discussion with a satirical look at linking as a male activity and Technorati Cosmos as a source of phallic pride. Is that a toolbar in your browser or are you just happy to see me?

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shelleyp - 8:13 am 3/10/2005

No, I didn't, Rob. Thanks for letting me know.

Loved the line: "Is that a toolbar in your browser, or are you just happy to see me."

I noticed that Powerline wrote: "In the blogosphere, where there are no editors, men constitute the vast majority of political bloggers with large audiences."

Well, we know the secret for the male webloggers success now, don't we?

47

Brilliant post! I like your writing style, too.

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DaninVan - 10:09 am 3/10/2005

Great stuff! Probably a lot closer to the the truth than we guys would like to admit. I checked (Guy)sites that I visit regularly…they all have 'Pink' sites on their blogrolls; phew!

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Lisa Stone - 2:40 pm 3/10/2005

"So, next time Dave Winer has a bloggercon, what say you and I and about 500 of our closest weblogging women friends crash the party? Better yet, we’ll have our own and let him crash the party if he promises not to pat us on the head and chuck us under the chin? However, if you do have a BlogHerCon, and if the attendance is open to men and women, both, you can count on my support."

Shelley, terrific feedback for Bloghercon. I'll put it into the brainstorming blender now…

50

I wish I'd called my sidebar thing a linklog, 'cause by god I'd be renaming it a dinklog now.

Not sure whether that makes the linker or the linkee the dink (or dinkee?), though.

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wes - 8:15 am 3/11/2005

LOL that was funny, the question has to be do i link to it thou?

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Phil Wolff - 12:24 pm 3/11/2005

Gee, is linking a substitute for intimacy? A cry for human contact?

And if I link to you, am I linking to everyone you've ever linked to? Should we be teaching kids about safe linking? Where can I go to get tested?

And what about permalinks? And my links to my own posts? Am I so self-involved?

Thanks, Shelley. I feel funny in my pants, now.

53

Stavros is on the right track. Looks like we've entered the age of the hyperdink.

It's not much different than the old age, however. Except that in the old age, the hyperstiffy just becomes the semi-hyperstiffy.

54

A quick glance at my blogroll/linklist/promiscuity index/ shows far more links to female blogs than male written blogs. Playing with the ladies is more fun. :-)

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tiffany - 11:40 pm 3/11/2005

shelley: you're a nut. (and i mean that in a good way.) this is a web classic.

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The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must, wrote Thucydides 2500 years ago; so it is good to see the poweless linkers of today laughing at the hardcore-irony in this saying: If you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of others…

Humour us Shelley ;-)

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Arthur - 3:59 pm 3/12/2005

Solid Gold™. I'd like to see this as a podcast though.

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Lisa F. - 2:23 pm 3/13/2005

One of your very best, Shelley. Thank you.

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Anon - 4:18 am 3/18/2005

I might have found this funnier if i weren't still thinking about the blog "comment spam" problem and the kludgy but somewhat felicitous 'nofollow' disincentive. Comment spam shows a lot of unethical people really *are* trying to steal 'precious linky fluids' and will happily fill the WWW with pollution to get their way.

Not to mention all the #*/$(* spam emails I get trying to trick me into 'link exchanges' with robots (owned by arseholes who love to waste other peoples' time, evidently).

Let's take some quotes from your essay. In a proper world, links might indeed be "a way of connecting and of being connected," a way of "inviting a conversation or passing along useful information." However, the linkage thieves are sabotaging those valid relationships, trying to turn links into something else–a kind of oppressive power that they wield to abuse, drown and squelch the better, caring elements of linking.

I don't know about Autolink (which I guess might be OK), but I don't really believe that my resentment of attempts to "steal" linkage means that I'm some kind of anti-female sexist pig. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the linkage thieves I mentioned above (comment spammers and 'link exchange' spammers) are *mostly male*. (I have my supposed reasons for believing those obnoxious thieves are mostly male, but surely those reasons are sexist? So I must be evil for thinking so. So it's proven I'm evil! Anyone who disagrees with me wins! I must have a penis and a dysfunctional relationship with it! As if our society has many women who don't have dysfunctional relationships with their bodies. Say, I wonder if that's why some women are so willing to descend to the level of penis jokes based upon the largely discredited Freudian theories of pseudopsychology. Or the even worse penis jokes to which Shelly has done us and herself the favor of *not* descending. But I digress.)

So if I dislike the above-mentioned 'linkage thieves', does that make me sexist? Or opposed to real caring conversations and relationships?

Shelly, I think you have let your resentment of an Old Boys Club take you a bit far, and metaphorically categorized yourself with people who are about as unlike you as possible.

But then, I guess I don't read the Old Boys Club all that much (if it's stuff like Instapundit and Dave Winer.) Maybe if I did, I would find this funnier.

I guess this post *is* cranky, but it's passionate too, so I hope it's OK to leave it up.

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Anonymous Coward - 7:55 am 3/18/2005

I have a little experiment for you.

Look up "Link" in an English-to-German dictionary, take the first entry (the one about chains).
Now do the reverse look up (German to English).

You see, we Germans knew it all the time.

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Yule - 11:18 am 3/18/2005

Anonymous Coward, no one is going to bother following your steps, people are lazy, even if there's a tee-hee factor ;-). May I? "Link" translates into "Glied," which is the individual little doo-hickey in a chain ("Kette"), but "Glied" also translates back as "penis." A "Mitglied" is a "member" (of a club, group, etc.: literally a "with-member"), and "member" is of course also an English euphemism for "penis."

It's kinda depressing.

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zo - 6:31 pm 3/20/2005

are we surprised? we are amused by shelley's fine and witty touch, but still and always, it's the same here as anywhere, meat or cyber.

the thing to do is what we have always done–carry on, amuse ourselves, and above all, remember, it is so boring in the old boys' circle-, er, ah, blogosphere. (gee, and i promised myself i'd never use that word.)

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Violet - 4:49 pm 3/30/2005

I have been programming since I graduated from high school at 13, got legally emancipated, went to work for 'big blue'… some 44 years ago. I have been blogging since internet was ARPA and I was the only one. I don't link to anyone, except on my ferret website. (I have 17 active websites right now. Two of em are blogs, one is my 'scary' real thoughts blog, most people can't take that one. You can't find that one under my name anyway. I also have a [somewhat] stealth website wherein I maintain islamic women herstorys (births, deaths, accomplishments, thoughts). I get lots of death threats on that one, come on laddies! I got a 9-round, double-action, automatic 44 and a 15-round semi-auto waitin' for ya. Ya see, men don't like women who don't care what men think, who are better mathematicians & engineers then them, who not only know how to destroy chem weapons, but how to make 'em too. That's me. how about you? having fun now, so I must get back to it. a hui hou!

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