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What didn’t work

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The RDF Poetry Finder was more than a personal interest of mine — it was an attempt to see if a project could go from idea stage to implementation through the efforts of people who participated purely on interest — no formal group formation whatsoever. Additionally, it was a project that would, I hope, bring together members from both the technical and humanities communities, in such a way that each would contribute equal expertise to the project. The type of project would force this because it really did require a deep understanding of the mechanics of technology and poetry.

The latter combination of the technologists with the community was the real interest to me. I didn’t do the Poetry Finder because I needed practice with technology — I have close to 20 years of practice, I think I get it.

Along the way, though, I made several significant mistakes. Since we learn from our mistakes, I thought I would share these:

1. Antagonizing the Tech community

I started this project out by doing a deliberate pushback against RSS and FOAF, mainly RSS. By doing this, I had hoped I could attract the attention of the people who work with RSS, particularly the RDF/RSS people, but without tying RSS into the project. In addition, I hoped I could break through a growing belief that RSS 1.0 is representative of all RDF semantic web efforts.

What I did do was antagonize the RSS 1.0 fans, and they are nothing if not loyal. This ended up losing me key technology people, as well as spinning off a lot of energy back into the RSS vortex. Not just the RSS vortex, but the ongoing personality differences that have plagued RSS for too long.

2. Not providing the right hooks for the poetry enthusiasts

I think I did better attracting people from the poetry community. However, I didn’t give them the necessary hooks in how to participate in this project.

We’ve trained the ‘user’ in the weblog community and elsewhere to be passive — the technologists will generate the idea, develop the specs, write the implementation, and help you use the technology. If you don’t implement their new technology quick enough, you’ll hear about it. If the techs aren’t moving fast enough, there’s the LazyWeb.

Well, this is good. No, I take that back. This is not good.

We’ve made the ‘user’ in our community, the weblogger or other web site owner who doesn’t have a strong technical background, into a spectator; and we’ve turned much of our technical activity into spectator sport.

Scenario: Roman arena. Two participants. The issue is RSS. Get the picture?

This was a mistake. It was one I tried to rectify with Poetry Finder, but wasn’t as effective as I needed to be. I’m not quite sure how to do this better.

3. Tied project into RDF/XML from the start

Of course, this is a technology and a specification that I’m comfortable with so it’s not surprising I would focus the project on RDF/XML. However, this triggered much of the same glazing of eyes phenomena that always occurs with RDF/XML. I did expect a little of this and hoped that not jumping into the technology right away would work around this. It did, somewhat. However by not focusing on technology from the start, I lost more of the techies.

Additionally, focusing on the use of RDF as the underlying technology from the start also brought in contention from those enthusiastic about competitive technologies, which I wasn’t expecting.

4. Not starting effort out with a prototype

I had hoped to take this project from idea to implementation in the public eye, based on public participation, but I think that the idea of a “poetry finder” is too nebulous for a unstructured group of participants. I should have started with something, no matter how light and unscalable, rather than just, “I have an idea”.

It’s too easy to shoot down “just an idea”, and too difficult to engage people behind “just an idea”. I didn’t have to provide David, but I at least needed to provide the marble.

5. Fragmented discussions

I used more than one technology to encourage group participation in Poetry Finder. Originally the technologies included this weblog and a Yahoo Discussion group, Bloggers Unlimited. There was then bleed through to emails, other discussion groups, and other weblogs.

The Bloggers Unlimited discussion descended quickly into exchanges based on RSS and FOAF, and other pure technology issues. I pulled back, trying another group, Renaissance Web, and this group has been extremely good at keeping the focus at a higher level, and avoiding too much detailed technical conversation.

A challenge with all of this communication: the discussions in the Yahoo groups, and in weblog postings and comments are good, but there is no way of tying them all together other than linking to specific messages, and through the use of Trackback. Of course, if we had something like Threadneedle, or ThreadsML, this problem would be solved because the technology would link everything together. Right?

I used to think so but after this experience, I’m not so sure. I’m finding that the connectivity between the discussion threads is not as much of a factor as the format of the threads, themselves.

For instance, I don’t think I’m the only person that got overwhelmed by trying to follow the discussions at the Yahoo group, Renaissance Web, excellent as they are. Even when sorted by thread, not date. I had a very hard time finding who said what at any given point, especially with all the embedded quoting and nesting and so on.

Trying to connect the Yahoo group discussions into the weblog was difficult because the discussion group entries have such a different style and emphasis compared to weblog posts. Weblog postings, even when focused on responding to other people, have a more persistent quality to them than discussion threads. There is a different feel to each type of discussion; trying to blend them all together in a meaningful way would be like trying to make orange juice by squeezing together six oranges and two apples. And a banana.

At least, it felt this way to me. Maybe I’m weird.

Then there is the problem of censorship in the Yahoo groups. The one and only time I deleted a message in Blogging Unlimited was a mistaken email that was sent to the group. The only time in Renaissance Web was one of my responses. However, during this time I was censored in another group — and the group was not informed that I was censored, or that this type of censorship had occured. This wasn’t directly related to the Poetry Finder, but it is a problem with Yahoo groups and even weblog comments.

Still, I liked the forum/email/discussion group because there is no ‘ownership’ of the topics, anyone could add new topics, and there was a great deal of good commentary, especially in Renaissance Web. Much more in this format than the weblogs.

However, rather than having a conversation about Poetry Finder in just my weblog, I was now having conversations in many places. This meant that I had to respond in multiple places, to multiple threads, some of which may have started out on the Poetry Finder but morphed into something else.

And how to bring all this together? How do I get the Yahoo Groups people to read my weblog entries on Poetry Finder? A link won’t necessarily do it. How do I get my weblog readers to follow the many discussion threads at Yahoo? Some people are more comfortable with email lists, some more with weblogs. How do we establish a communication across the different venues? Sure we can hack together threads between IM (Instance Messaging) and weblog and Yahoo group — but goodness, it would be like trying to hold a church service during half-time at a baseball stadium, simultaneously using a semaphore to signal the service to the blimp passing overhead, while there’s a flock of geese in the way.

And some of the geese don’t like each other.

Gah!

Within all of the many threads, I had to work at generating enthusiasm for this crazy idea in order to attract the group participation the project needed, in multiple venues. Tthis was getting exhausting, particularly in light of the pushback — not the direct pushback, which I was expecting; but the indirect pushback, the subtle and not so subtle putdowns, which I’ve not particularly adept at dealing with. The honest, intelligent, and concerned opinions from people that I’m spinning my wheels, and that his baby just ain’t gonna fly. Something else I’m not particularly adept at dealing with.

I wish I was Audrey Hepburn. She’d know what to do. And probably look good while doing it, too.

It’s not particularly easy to continue a ‘crazy, impossible, half-baked’ idea when you have a feeling that some people think you’re blowing smoke out your ass. In multiple venues.

Summary

What next.

Well, I have a tick bite, which isn’t healing. The housing complex pest specialist says the head is still in, but the infection should clear eventually. Creeps me out a bit, though — I have tiny insect chompers in my ankle. Had another thunderstorm this morning, and now it’s getting humid. My cat likes my Titanium PowerBook because she can use it for a head rest. I need to do laundry, but I’d rather take another walk. Somewhere covered in asphalt. I have some web pages and PHP I need to do for a friend. I think I’ll make chicken for dinner tonight. Better yet — BLT pizza. With beer.

Yeah: Huh?

I don’t want to abandon Poetry Finder, not the least because I don’t like people thinking that I’m ‘giving up’. Dammit, and I also think the idea has merit. But I do need to figure out how to correct my mistakes, and how to get this moving again in a constructive manner. Or, more likely, just let it die, another smoke filled idea.

In the meantime, weblogging as usual. Pics, writing, cat.

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It was lovely while it lasted

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Updated:

Consensus about the RDF Poetry Finder is that it is, at best, overly ambitious, at worst, undoable. It’s also a project that primarily only interested me — not surprising since it was my little fevered brain storm — so I’m not going to continue the discussion or the essays, at least for now. I’ll work on my own with the suggestions and ideas given, and if I can contrive something, will post the results. With a concrete implementation, or at least a prototype — something in RDF/XML with moving parts for us all to look at — we might try this again.

That’s the thing about weblogging — we find that the stories that interest us, fascinate us, are nothing more than posts to skip over for many of our friends. We don’t all share much more than the tool and the word.

Of course, my mind was focused on this. I have no idea what to talk about now. I’ve already bared my soul. I don’t want to talk about my cat. Postmodernism scares me. I don’t have the background for linguistics. I can’t speak Chinese.

I’ll go back to photographs and borrowed words for a while.

PS

I did want to thank people who dropped in with ideas and suggestions, and expressed interest, good comments, great poetry. If you’re still interested in this as an idea and a concept, please let me know. Contrary to popular opinion, not all technical people really like working on their own. Sometimes, they/I like working with others.

Perhaps I’ll create a quiet little side blog somewhere to work on this outside of the bright light. Some passions flourish best in the soft shadows, like good mushrooms, fine wines, and crazy, unworkable ideas.

My apologies to those who thought I was tucked away with a happy project, a soft pillow, and a warm cup of milk to tide me over. However, I have my photos, and my occasional word — I am content.

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Poetry Finder: A bit more and a little geek

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Interrupting the play I’m having with the RDF Poetry Finder essays to see what others are saying, and also to add some geek stuff so people know that there really is a string at the end of this particular balloon.

Joseph Duemer (and Frank Paynter, indirectlyexpressed some concerns about the image=abstraction view of poetry, suggesting instead a possible alternative:

 

I would tend to think that finding ways of clustering related images around themes or subjects might be a more better way to proceed. This whole project plunges us into the depths of cognative science & the ways in which we can model human consciousness.

This opens up a new way of looking at the core of the system, or perhaps more accurately, looking at the core of what is poetry. I am very intrigued. I am also out of element, not being a poet and only recently becoming a poet enthusiast. My hope is that Joseph, and the other poets/enthusiasts in the audience will expand on this fascinating view.

I also agree with Joseph when he wrote I salute Bb & will happily join her project, but, boy, this is a huge undertaking!. This is a huge undertaking, but not necessarily a new one, or even an impossible one. And this is where today’s bit of geekery enters the picture.

Years ago when I worked in the Acoustical and Linguistics group at Boeing, one of the projects the group was working on was the idea of a concept search engine that could be used foir more precise searching in a massive database of stored documents. We lost our funding before we could explore this concept beyond our simple prototype, which was an intelligent front end to the company’s data dictionary.

At the time, there was no Web, and there was no XML or RDF or any of the tools, technologies, and specifications available today. We take for granted the Web, XML, and even RDF, but it’s amazing how much these technologies can simplify a search of this nature. Compared to the technologies we had back then, in the late 1980’s.

I wasn’t one of the brains in the group — my strengths were in taking their efforts and finding practical uses for same. However, right from the start I could see the power of a concept based search, one in which a person can search on an idea or a thought or a need, rather than search on keywords and exact phrases:

“I need all documents focusing on the cost of stress testing compared to the payback of same.”

ALIA’s efforts were focused on finding automated ways of performing these searches, using fairly complicated heuristics and rather intimidating technologies such as neural networking. Heavy stuff. And our organization wasn’t the only one interested in this — just search on concept based search engines in Google to find several references (hereherehere, and so on).

[I was particularly intrigued by Joseph’s discussion about “clustering related images about themes or subjects”, because concept-based searching is sometimes referred to as cluster based searching (here and here and herehere, and so on).]

Of course, we now know that completely automated systems to support concept-based search aren’t really the answer. Concept-based search engines are built on the premise of a partnership between human and machine, between the synaptic and the digital. We have the technology, we have the expertise — we just need to find a way to bring it all together. That’s what we’re doing now, here in this weblog and at the Renaissance Web dialog group: ad hoc discussions bringing together the poet, the enthusiast, and the technologist to explore ideas, test out possibilities without necessarily restricting the discussion this early to specific implementation.

Still, there is one technical implementation issue that can be discussed separate from the heuristics of the search itself: how does one take data from a closed system using RDF Poetry Finder to a more global one?

For instance, we’ll implement an ontology, an architecture, and even open APIs (Application Programming Interfaces) based in different programming languages to support a semantic search engine for poetry and we’ll provide it free of charge to sites such as poets.org and any other poetry-related site that wants to use it. We’ll also give it out to webloggers for use at their own sites.

Hopefully with our help and encouragement, these sites will begin to incorporate this technology, providing semantic search capability for their own needs. In addition, though, they’ll also be generating data that can be accessed and consumed outside of the closed system.

This is doable, practical, and even has precedence in previous technologies. The annotation of the semantic markup for each poem will be based on an ontology created using the W3C’s OWL (Ontology Language), itself based on a universal model of semantic data, RDF, and serialized to a file using a universal markup, XML. Accessing a poem’s semantic markup will be no different than accesssing, and processing, my RSS 1.0 file — except that the structure of the data might be a bit more complex, and the information in the file persists, though it will change over time (as new interpretations of the work are incorporated).

Today’s technology used for today’s needs. Have no doubts this can be done. In a closed system, such as in use at poets.org.

However, how do we globalize this system? We have access to the RDF/XML files containing the semantic markup, and it’s based on a universally used ontology — anyone with an RDF parser can access the data, and use it to build a more globalized search engine. Right?

Well, the answer is: yes and no. The technology doesn’t prevent this, but the data does. Or at least, it provides an interesting challenge.

Scenario:

The poem Do not go gentle into that good night by Dylan Thomas is almost universally known. If you search in Google for this poem, you’ll find thousands of references to it, including this one at poets.org, which also includes an audio reading of the poem by Thomas, himself.

Within the closed system that is poets.org, when this Thomas poem is identified as a poetry resource, the identifier given it, based on the RDF model, is the URL of the poem, above. This makes sense within the closed system, because the poem and the web resource (the page) are one in the same within the closed system that is represented by poets.org.

However, another closed system such as Loren’s weblog, also featuring this poem, has a different identifier for it — the page where it is located.

How do we reconcile that the resource identified by “http://www.poets.org/poems/poems.cfm?45442B7C000C07040C7A” is the same as that identified by “http://www.lorenwebster.net/In_a_Dark_Time/archives/000236.html#000236”? And once we do, which ‘identifier’ do we use within the global system? we could pick one closed system over another and just use their identifiers, but which would we choose? All add their value to this poem, through a unique perspective as well interpretations associated with the work?

This is where we start bringing the purely automated solutions back into the picture — we determine if two resources are the same by performing a relatively sophisticated pattern match on the titles of the work. Chances are, accounting for spelling differences as well as language, we’ll be able to find matches at least 98% of the time. Or more.

And rather than choose one closed system over another, we merge the information and interpretations and concepts from both systems into one data store, something that can be accomplished quite easily with RDF/XML, and generate a third, unique identifier within this higher-level system.

Of course, it then is nothing more than a repeat of the same processes to merge the data from several higher-level systems into an even more globally placed system. A system such as Google, if it was so inclined.

I hesitated about bringing specific technical details into the discussion on Poetry Finder at this time, because we’re at the stage where we’re letting our imaginations roam, without hinderance by technical limitations. We’re not ready yet for the constraining environment of actual implementation issues.

Still, it’s hard to dance about semantics, when you’re not sure if there’s a floor underneath you as you twirl about. So go ahead, tap your feet — there’s something there.

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While the technician sleeps the poet speaks

Recovered from the Wayback Machine.

Third in a multi-part series focusing on RDF (Resource Description Framework) and poetry and demonstrating two-way integration between art and technology. No prior experience with either RDF or poetry is required.

“My father was a drunk. He beat my mother, he beat me. And my mother, rather than fight back, rather than protect me, as a mother should, she did nothing. Just took it, kept silent and told me to be silent. I hated them both for what they did to me. I loved them both for giving me life.”

I sometimes wonder if we’ll ever meet intelligent life from another world. If we do, will they admire our technology? Our physical appearance? Will they understand our religion and our governments?

Will they like our art, our paintings, and our music? How about our writing and our poetry? Yes, will they like our poetry? Or will they return home and tell the people, “They perform a dance, a ritual with their words. They hide both their pain and their joy, but they do so by talking about it. And the better they are at hiding, the more they’re exposed.”

“We don’t understand it. We don’t understand it, at all.”

The beginning of this post contains what could be a journal entry about a child, a little girl, raised in an unhappy home. One doesn’t have to search hard to find the story in the words—it’s told in bright light, characters reflected as shadows in harsh relief. You might pity the child, but the story’s been told before a 100 times, a thousand, before. You hear the words, but you soon forget them.

Now compare this to the words of the poem, I go back to May 1937, written by Sharon Olds, that Jonathon shared today. Each contains what could be the same story told by the same little girl. Which one is remembered, and which forgotten?

Poetry has always allowed us to share our deepest thoughts, our darkest fears, our happiest times; but it does so indirectly, through the use of imagery, the cadence of words, the subtlety of symbols. Rather than tell you “I’m lost, I’m sad, I’ve been betrayed in the worst way”, the poet writes, as William Blake wrote in The Sick Rose, about a worm, and a rose:

O Rose thou art sick.
The invisible worm.
That flies in the night
In the howling storm:

Has found out thy bed
Of crimson joy:
And his dark secret love
Does thy life destroy.

A story about a rose and a worm. Or is it a story about a rape of a young woman by a trusted friend, like a priest?

Tragic, forbidding, uncomfortable, uplifting, even whimsical, all poems share one unique characteristic that provides a challenge for the Internet — poems are impossible to discover through purely mechanical means. No matter the power of the engine, the brilliance of the designers, the intelligence of the web bots, poems can not be crunched like so many numbers, discovered based on simple pattern matches, and regular expressions.

If we want to grow beyond keyword matches, we’re going to have to do a little work. Rightfully so. Since when did we start believing that innovations on the web happen between the hours of midnight and 2AM, performed by unseen fairly like creatures clothed in gossamer threads held together by jewels, requiring no effort on our part?

Contrary to popular opinion, the web didn’t just ‘growed’ up, like Topsy. This page took work. The software to build it took work. The technology to support the software took work. You are looking at the combined effort of a thousand cubicle bound slaves, fingers permanently crooked, fish belly pale, and permanently wired from Mountain Dew. It took years to get to the point where you can search on the perfect woman in Google, and find, well, me, and this is based on a keyword search. How much more can we expect from our machines, to go looking for betrayal and find it in a rose?

“We don’t understand it. We don’t understand it, at all.”

Of course, I had you convinced of the necessity of direct human intervention back in The Beginnings of a Beautiful Friendship — why persist?

Why? Because it’s fun. And because there is no fire, and I’m holding no bucket. However, it’s now time to get down to work. And since the technician was out having fun, the poets have had a chance to speak out.

In my comments, Maria wroteDoes this mean that the force of poetry is about what we bring to it — our emotional reactions? In a word, Yes. The feelings evoked by a poem are one of the many characteristics, or facets by which we classify the poem internally. Ask a person to think of a happy poem, and you can watch their face as they go through a mental ‘search’, first doing a filter based on ‘happy’, and then a more selective search based on recency and partiality.

At their most primitive, emotions are sometimes used to create poetic ‘themes’ — love poems, happy poems, poems about fear, and so on. However, many writers, and readers, object to classifying a poem based on such bland bit buckets, and I’m one of them. The feelings evoked by poems are usually more complex than ‘happy’ or ‘sad’; and, many times, bring with them a frame of reference unique to the reader.

In the Renaissance Web discussion list, Dan Lyke made an important observation:

 

One of the problems with Shelley’s poetry example is that much of the
meaning in poetry is from the frame of reference of the reader. I
remember an NPR interview nearly two decades ago with some author of a
novel that was being critically regarded as a brilliant look at
Central American politics in the Reagan era, and the woman who wrote
it said something like “no, it’s a story about a deformed child coming
of age”.

Maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t, but there was no way that that author
was ever going to semantically mark-up that book to have the meanings
that most people had ascribed to it.

Dan’s right, there is no way that an author can capture each reader’s interpretation, and they shouldn’t even try. In fact, poets and other writers should be actively discouraged from adding their own input into a system such as the RDF Poetry Finder. Nothing ruins a poem or other writing more than the writer providing their own interpretation.

Each writing is a contract between writer and reader: the writer evokes, the reader responds. If the writer wants the reader to respond exactly in a certain way, they should use powerful drugs. And hypnosis.

Dan concurs with this, and wrote:

So one of the ways, perhaps, to view the markup process is as distinct
from the authoring process, perhaps collaboratively done by readers. A
smarter version of the whole Slashdot moderation system, for
instance. “I think this is about the plight of Nicaraguans in the
context of their struggle for agricultural autonomy”, and maybe it’s
some peer-to-peer process through which these ratings propagate so
that the meanings I search on are the meanings that friends have also
seen.

Besides, this will give some meaning to the otherwise empty lives of
post-modernists.

We attach categories and topics to our own postings, but for the RDF Poetry Finder to be effective, it must allow readers to read other interpretations, and either enhance existing ones, agree with them as is, or create all new ones.

The dynamic nature of this system is important — just as there isn’t a finite number of keywords in Google, there isn’t a finite number of concepts in poetry. Xian, at the discussion group, expressed his concern on this point:

I was more concerned that there would be a big lookup table of
symbols that would lead people to believe, for example, that the
missing bird in my No Bird but an Invisible Thing story
(here) must represent a human soul.

(I’m stretching the equation here, as in the case of my story the
bird isn’t an owl, but I wanted to try to tie it to something
concrete.)

Valid concern. I shudder to think what it would be like on a committee of people trying to come up with a universal set of concepts. Not only that, but I can’t imagine that either the writer or the reader would accept it.

The dynamic nature of the system doesn’t have to be complicated. As a quick demonstration about a possible approach, I discussed how something like this might work with Sylvia Plath’s poem, Mirror, which generates so many different interpretations:

 

Consider a concept, from my earlier message about Plath’s “Mirror”.

Metaphor (symbol) is “mirror”

Concept is “growing older”

But someone else comes along and says, it’s more than just ‘growing
older’. It’s about coming to terms with growing older. So they
pick “growing older”, and then add annotation.

“coming to terms with growing older”

Another person comes along and they think it has to do with a parent
and child and the relationship between each other. Has nothing to do
with getting older. They add their interpretation of the concept:

“infant’s interaction with mother”

And a third person comes along, says the mirror is just a mirror. A
fourth says that the mirror reflects our view of ourselves, our
ugliness, our beauty, and so on.

We end up with a hierarchy of concepts, so to speak, with like
concepts related to each other, unlike ones separate.

So Poetry Finder must be dynamic, but once we have the interpretations recorded, what then? How do we use them? We understand how to search on keywords and even key phrases, but how do we search on concepts?

We start small, starting with the ability to search on symbols, as recommended by Loren in a comment>. Doing this, we’re combining the familiar, a keyword search, with the new, a smart keyword search.

An example of ‘symbol’ we kicked around was the use of birds to represent souls. Specifically, the use of an owl in a poem to represent a person’s soul. From the discussion group, I wrote:

 

…if you have a way of mapping that soul can be symbolized by
owl, and owl can symbolize soul, then within that system you can
search for either all symbols that represent soul, pick owl, and then
focus on these results. Or you can search for ‘things symbolized by’
owl, pick soul from the results, and focus on these results.
Technically, both are ‘keywords’, because they are a single word that
serves as a reference point — but they’re very smart keywords. There
is an inference associated with the keywords, not to take them at
face value, but to look at their association, mapping, what have you
with other words.

In other words, there is a predicate, ‘symbolize’, that maps owl to soul, and soul to owl. Using a system that allowed me to make smart keywords out of symbols, I could then find a poem such as the following (kindly provided by Loren, who is now resting from his labors):

 

Edward Thomas
The Owl

Downhill I came, hungry, and yet not starved;
Cold, yet had heat within me that was proof
Against the North wind; tired, yet so that rest
Had seemed the sweetest thing under a roof.

Then at the inn I had food, fire, and rest,
Knowing how hungry, cold, and tired was I.
All of the night was quite barred out except
An owl’s cry, a most melancholy cry

Shaken out long and clear upon the hill,
No merry note, nor cause of merriment,
But one telling me plain what I escaped
And others could not, that night, as in I went.

And salted was my food, and my repose,
Salted and sobered, too, by the bird’s voice
Speaking for all who lay under the stars,
Soldiers and poor, unable to rejoice.

Of course, for this system to work, we couldn’t lock ‘owl’ into just one role, metaphor for soul. Maria writes:

 

In my repertoire of symbols, or almost languageless associations of objects with thoughts and feelings, the owl has been always a representative of wisdom, or vision, and is forever tangled up with my sense of Greece and Athena.

There’s that dynamic nature of RDF Poetry Finder. Growing by leaps and bounds.

Is this a book yet? Enough for one night.

 

Next: Interpretations — filtering the hit and run kiddies

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Ongoing discussion

Recovered from the Wayback Machine.

I have been lax with the next essay in the RDF Poetry Finder series, The Technician Sleeps while the Poet Speaks. However, I have not been lax in the effort.

For instance, there’s a good discussion on this at Renaissance Web, where I’ve been wrestling with some fairly tough questions. (Also other many good conversations going on including a one-button weblog publishing approach — stop by, listen, participate if you’re so moved.)

However, most of my time has been taken up with research. In particular, I’m finding it very difficult to find poems to demonstrate points I want to make, primarily because I need something like RDF Poetry Finder in order to find them. My repertoire of known poetry is very limited, and I hesitate to put the poets and poetry enthusiasts in the audience on the spot asking for poems where, for example, an owl symbolizes the soul.

So, as I wrestle away with this, please join us at the forum. Your interest and input would be more than welcome.